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Town square for weblogs: InstaPundit from Glenn Reynolds, who is an original. Very busy. Very good. To the Right, but not in all things. A good place to find voices in diaolgue with each other and the news.

Town square for the online Left. The Daily Kos. Huge traffic. The comments section can be highly informative. One of the most successful communities on the Net.

Rants, links, blog news, and breaking wisdom from Jeff Jarvis, former editor, magazine launcher, TV critic, now a J-professor at CUNY. Always on top of new media things. Prolific, fast, frequently dead on, and a pal of mine.

Eschaton by Atrios (pen name of Duncan B;ack) is one of the most well established political weblogs, with big traffic and very active comment threads. Left-liberal.

Terry Teachout is a cultural critic coming from the Right at his weblog, About Last Night. Elegantly written and designed. Plus he has lots to say about art and culture today.

Dave Winer is the software wiz who wrote the program that created the modern weblog. He's also one of the best practicioners of the form. Scripting News is said to be the oldest living weblog. Read it over time and find out why it's one of the best.

If someone were to ask me, "what's the right way to do a weblog?" I would point them to Doc Searls, a tech writer and sage who has been doing it right for a long time.

Ed Cone writes one of the most useful weblogs by a journalist. He keeps track of the Internet's influence on politics, as well developments in his native North Carolina. Always on top of things.

Rebecca's Pocket by Rebecca Blood is a weblog by an exemplary practitioner of the form, who has also written some critically important essays on its history and development, and a handbook on how to blog.

Dan Gillmor used to be the tech columnist and blogger for the San Jose Mercury News. He now heads a center for citizen media. This is his blog about it.

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Chris Nolan's Spot On is political writing at a high level from Nolan and her band of left-to-right contributors. Her notion of blogger as a "stand alone journalist" is a key concept; and Nolan is an exemplar of it.

Barista of Bloomfield Avenue is journalist Debbie Galant's nifty experiment in hyper-local blogging in several New Jersey towns. Hers is one to watch if there's to be a future for the weblog as news medium.

The Editor's Log, by John Robinson, is the only real life honest-to-goodness weblog by a newspaper's top editor. Robinson is the blogging boss of the Greensboro News-Record and he knows what he's doing.

Fishbowl DC is about the world of Washington journalism. Gossip, controversies, rituals, personalities-- and criticism. Good way to keep track of the press tribe in DC

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Susan Crawford, a law professor, writes about democracy, technology, intellectual property and the law. She has an elegant weblog about those themes.

Kevin Roderick's LA Observed is everything a weblog about the local scene should be. And there's a lot to observe in Los Angeles.

Joe Gandelman's The Moderate Voice is by a political independent with an irrevant style and great journalistic instincts. A link-filled and consistently interesting group blog.

Ryan Sholin's Invisible Inkling is about the future of newspapers, online news and journalism education. He's the founder of and a self-taught Web developer and designer.

H20town by Lisa Williams is about the life and times of Watertown, Massachusetts, and it covers that town better than any local newspaper. Williams is funny, she has style, and she loves her town.

Dan Froomkin's White House Briefing at is a daily review of the best reporting and commentary on the presidency. Read it daily and you'll be extremely well informed.

Rebecca MacKinnon, former correspondent for CNN, has immersed herself in the world of new media and she's seen the light (great linker too.)

Micro Persuasion is Steve Rubel's weblog. It's about how blogs and participatory journalism are changing the business of persuasion. Rubel always has the latest study or article.

Susan Mernit's blog is "writing and news about digital media, ecommerce, social networks, blogs, search, online classifieds, publishing and pop culture from a consultant, writer, and sometime entrepeneur." Connected.

Group Blogs

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Lost Remote is a very newsy weblog about television and its future, founded by Cory Bergman, executive producer at KING-TV in Seattle. Truly on top of things, with many short posts a day that take an inside look at the industry.

Editors Weblog is from the World Editors Fourm, an international group of newspaper editors. It's about trends and challenges facing editors worldwide. keeps track of developments from the British side of the Atlantic. Very strong on online journalism.

Digests & Round-ups:

Memeorandum: Single best way I know of to keep track of both the news and the political blogosphere. Top news stories and posts that people are blogging about, automatically updated.

Daily Briefing: A categorized digest of press news from the Project on Excellence in Journalism.

Press Notes is a round-up of today's top press stories from the Society of Professional Journalists.

Richard Prince does a link-rich thrice-weekly digest called "Journalisms" (plural), sponsored by the Maynard Institute, which believes in pluralism in the press.

Newsblog is a daily digest from Online Journalism Review.

E-Media Tidbits from the Poynter Institute is group blog by some of the sharper writers about online journalism and publishing. A good way to keep up

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August 21, 2007

Help Make my Blowback Post to Michael Skube a Little More Sound; to Run With It

By this afternoon I need a better list.

Okay, with the help of some people in comment threads at Daily Kos, at PressThink, over email, I have the heart of my reply to Michael Skube and his post, Blogs: All the noise that fits.

It’s a little signal for him (to contrast with the noise.) A reading list, with different kinds of complications—some big, some small—to his tales of virtue and greatness in reporting and blogging.

Of couse I am not writing to him but to readers of the LATimes website, who should know about the blowback from his post and do already to some extent. (UPDATE: The Blowpack piece is now published at the LA Times.)

This is what I pulled together—draft version—as my list of somewhat representative, by no means definitive or even halfway-complete list of cases. Just 500-600 words I could at this point include in a 1,200 word reply the asked me to write. My initial picks from your suggestions and my own ideas are:

August, 2004. Chris Allbritton goes to Najaf . Reporting for, his reader-supported blog, during the major fighting around the Imam Ali Shrine, Allbritton manages to get inside to interview members of the Mahdi army and report what’s happening; he’s then arrested by the Najaf police under live fire but lives to write about it.

June, 2007. Pet-food scandal ignites blogosphere. Pet owners frustrated with the limitations of the news media self-organize into a national network of sites and share news about tainted foods that may have killed thousands of pets across the country.

March, 2007. Firedoglake at the Libby Trial. Popular lefty political blog provides the only blow by blow coverage of the trial by splitting the work among six contributors who bring big knowledge to bear for a committed-to-the-case readership; news media repy on the blog for its updates and analysis.

2003 to present. Groklaw the go-to source for coverage of SCO v. IBM. Law blog—one obsessive blogger plus readers— takes on saturation coverage of key lawsuit involving open source software, becomes the authoritative source of knowledge on the case for participants in the case.

September 2004. Joseph Newcomer provides comprehensive examination of disputed Killian memos in CBS report. A computer type-setting expert uses his knowledge to cast serious doubt on the authenticity of documents 60 Minutes relied on in its story on President Bush’s Air National Guard service.

February, 2006. NASA political appointee resigns Graduate student and science blogger Nick Anthis finds out that 24-year old George Deutsch, a political apppointee accused of trying to silence NASA climate scientists, lied on his resume about having a college degree. Deutsch resigns.

2007 to present. Blogger Michael Yon reports from Iraq. Supported primarily by donations from readers, independent journalist Michael Yon--a former Green Beret—is spending 2007 embedded with soldiers whose courage and sacrifice he admires, and whose stories he tells, mostly recently from Anbar province.

December 2006-April 2007. Talking Points Memo drives the US Attorneys firings Into the National Spotlight. Mixing old fashioned legwork with perseverance over months and lots of help from readers, Josh Marshall and his TMP Media empire accumulate evidence “from around the country on who the axed prosecutors were, and why politics might be behind the firings.” (Which was in the LA Times)

December 2006. investigates Noka Chocolate. Gourmet food blog provides the only in-depth investigation into “world’s most expensive” chocolatier’s deceptive marketing practices.

August, 2005 publishes its series on toll roads as a business. Among the investigation’s findings: “Local governments in Colorado have agreed to deliberately impede traffic on existing highways near a toll road in order to protect the toll roads’ investors.”

June, 2007. scoops News & Record on its own layoffs. As the paper clams up, its staffers, ex-staffers, and readers use blog comments and email to create the only detailed public account of layoffs at the daily newspaper in Skube’s backyard.

February 2006. The Politics of Post-Traumatic Stress Syndrome. In a three-part series pulling together a lot of scattered information, citizen journalism site ePluribusMedia investigates the impact of politics on the funding, diagnosis and treatment of Iraq war veterans suffering from PTSD.

March, 2006. Californian Republican Uses Phony Pic to Show a Peaceful Iraq. Daily Kos and other sites show that a photo posted by Republican Congressional candidate Howard Kaloogian purposting to show a peaceful Iraq is actually a scene in Istanbul, Turkey. Kaloogian later loses his primary race.

2005 to present. Katrina Timeline. Members of the ePluribus Media community create a detailed timeline of key events before, during, and after the August 29th, 2005 hurricane made landfall at New Orleans, with over 500 events, fact-checked and sourced. It continues to be updated as the story stretches onward.

May-June 2007. The Pandemic Flu Leadership Blog is a collaborative public health blog hosted by the Department of Health and Human Services to advance dialogue between citizens, experts outside the government and health officials on how best to prepare for an influenza pandemic, a natural disaster requiring preparation on every level (government, community, family and personal).

August, 2006. Porkbusters, the Sunlight Foundation, and TPM Muckraker expose Congressional earmarks and the Senator who placed a secret hold on a bill to put information about federal fund recipients online.

So that’s what I have so far. It’s not a “top ten” anything but a list of highlights and more ordinary examples showing different kinds of blog reporting ventures and informational quests.

I need it to be better. Check and improve my examples, rewrite them if you can. Get better links or suggest additional links within the examples we have.

And I need a more cases, especially from beyond politics, and outside the circle of open left politics (Daily Kos home turf) complete with killer links in the simple form I asked for last time:

  • Month, year.
  • Title for your example that is also Killer (one best) link.
  • One sentence description written in News Bulletin Present tense. Pet owners frustrated with the limitations of the news media self-organize into a national network of sites….
Make it look like this and we’re golden

December 2006. investigates Noka Chocolate. Gourmet food blog provides the only in-depth investigation into “world’s most expensive” chocolatier’s deceptive marketing practices.

Use the comments and feed examples formatted like those above and you will help make my Blowback post to Michael Skube more informationally sound. Meanwhile, I will be writing the other parts.

Skube’s way is still making waves and what I said is still being debated, so we’re good if we post this afternoon, a lesser good if we don’t.

Use the comments to make suggestions for my list.

Posted by Jay Rosen at August 21, 2007 2:35 PM   Print


February 2005. AmericaBlog reveals that White House reporter/military veteran "Jeff Gannon" is a male prostitute named James Guckert who specializes in urinating on men, owes back taxes and never served in the military. The investigation also reveals irregularities in White House clearance and security procedures and the destruction of public records.

Posted by: Scott McClellan at August 21, 2007 3:39 PM | Permalink

With link:

February 2005. AmericaBlog reveals that White House reporter/military veteran "Jeff Gannon" is a male prostitute named James Guckert who specializes in urinating on men, owes back taxes and never served in the military. The investigation also reveals irregularities in White House clearance and security procedures and the destruction of public records.

Posted by: Scott McClellan at August 21, 2007 3:43 PM | Permalink


Thank you for doing this. This really is a lowpoint in centrally controlled media.

Though NowPublic covers big stories like Hurricae Dean by providing original, near-realtime footage from people living the news cycle, some of our best stuff is (and I know the term is becoming tedious) more long tail. Here are a few examples of original reporting that have appeared on our site:

A firsthand account of vvoting in Nigeria's election:

Typhoon coverage:

karen Hatter on the Resuscitation Outcomes Consortium:

Phrolen: Suicide in the Military:

Settler Protest:

Experience in Sderot Israel with rockets:

Mumbai Trains:

Mumbai Flooding:

Tahoe Sunsets: Report on forest fires inTahoe:

Manhole explosion:

The Sippy Cup Saga:

NY man shot:

Virginia Tech Shooting

HPV Vaccine

Photography bans in Maryland


Michael Tippett
Co-Founder, NowPublic

Posted by: Michael Tippett at August 21, 2007 3:48 PM | Permalink

October 2005. Harriet Miers' Nomination to the Supreme Court was announced on October 3. By 8.51 that morning David Frum had posted a carefully argued and impassioned excoriation of Bush's choice. Frum's eloquance and speed gave huge early momentum to the pushback from the Right against Miers.

Posted by: Richard H at August 21, 2007 4:08 PM | Permalink

Sorry, no links, but what about Josh Marshall and Andrew Sullivan (and a few others) goading the mainstream media into reporting on Trent Lott's incendiary remarks at Strom Thurmond's birthday party?

Posted by: Dan Kennedy at August 21, 2007 4:28 PM | Permalink

Whoops. Sorry. I swear I only hit "post" once, but I did reload because things seemed to be hanging up.

Posted by: Dan Kennedy at August 21, 2007 4:30 PM | Permalink

And from the right (and the department of stopped clocks being correct twice a day):
Aug 2006: Little Green Footballs catches Reuters doctoring photos of Beirut during the 2006 Hezbollah - Israel conflict.

Posted by: ralph kramden at August 21, 2007 4:33 PM | Permalink

Nick Anthis uncovered that Bush appointee to censor the climate stuff at NASA (George Deutch) faked his Resume, leading to his firing:,9171,1158971,00.html

Posted by: coturnix at August 21, 2007 4:40 PM | Permalink

You could retitle mine:

June 2007. scoops News & Record on its own layoffs. As the paper clams up, its staffers, ex-staffers, and readers use blog comments and email to create the only detailed public account of layoffs at the daily newspaper in Skube’s backyard.

Posted by: Ed Cone at August 21, 2007 4:43 PM | Permalink

Although perhaps not rising to the same level as the rest, I'm sure has done something directly affecting the LAT. have covered immigration marches. I covered the peace protests back in 2002 and 2003, with photos; I think I was the first to do that. I also asked someone you've never heard of a question that may have caused her to realize that the jig is up and that may have had an impact on WH policy. Or, it might not have had anything to do with it.

However, have you considered the possibility that all the entries you're going to receive only involve popular coverage, which will, given the extreme partisanship of political blogs, be extremely partisan? I'm sure there's plenty of worthwhile reporting that bloggers do, but it doesn't become popular - and won't be mentioned here - because it isn't extremely partisan.

Posted by: NoMoreBlatherDotCom [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 21, 2007 4:45 PM | Permalink


Posted by: milo at August 21, 2007 7:22 PM | Permalink

Rony Abovitz breaks the Eason Jordon comments on WEF Forum Blog (January 2005)

Michael Totten travels to Lebanon (September 2005)

Bill Roggio embeds in Iraq (November - December 2005)

Posted by: Tim at August 21, 2007 7:58 PM | Permalink

Joseph Newcomer provides comprehensive examination of Killian memos (September 2004)

Porkbusters, Sunlight Foundation, TPM Muckraker, etc., expose earmarks and secret hold.

Posted by: Tim at August 21, 2007 8:06 PM | Permalink

LGF exposes doctored photo (August 2006)

First Milblog session at BlogNashville (May 2005) and first Milblog conference (April 2006)

Posted by: Tim at August 21, 2007 8:15 PM | Permalink

December 2004. Global Voices international, volunteer-led project that collects, summarizes, and gives context to some of the best self-published content found on blogs, podcasts, photo sharing sites, and videoblogs from around the world, with a particular emphasis on countries outside of Europe and North America.

Posted by: Tim at August 21, 2007 8:34 PM | Permalink

July 2007 - Present. Wesley Morgan, a sophomore at Princeton University where he writes for The Daily Princetonian, travels to Iraq and blogs.

Posted by: Tim at August 21, 2007 9:13 PM | Permalink

OT - David Cay Johnston from the NYT is racking up blog-comment points.

Johnston's no Skube (which I think should be it's own descriptor, as in: You're such a Skube!).

Posted by: Tim at August 21, 2007 9:20 PM | Permalink

Yes. This list needs to exist.

Unbossed's August 2005 toll road series - "local governments in Colorado have agreed to deliberately impede traffic on existing highways near a toll road in order to protect the toll roads' investors"

(They call themselves a website, but it looks like a blog to me)

Posted by: Anna at August 21, 2007 9:34 PM | Permalink

Thanks everyone. I added some of these examples into the list, which now has 16 items. Take a look.

Posted by: Jay Rosen at August 21, 2007 9:55 PM | Permalink

I'm going to suggest one of these links from the Pandemic Flu Leadership Blog (if there's still time):

Prepping For Your Pets, And Other Flu Stories


Our Responsibility Is To Teach The Basics

and thank you for including this in your list.

Posted by: DemFromCT at August 22, 2007 7:56 AM | Permalink

PS I am the author of the above links.

Posted by: DemFromCT at August 22, 2007 7:57 AM | Permalink

Piece is sent to the LA Times and should appear today. I will let you know.

Posted by: Jay Rosen at August 22, 2007 10:39 AM | Permalink

Meanwhile, Howard Kurtz today: "I'm getting pretty tired of anti-blogger critiques from folks who don't seem to know much about the subject. The latest is Elon University professor Michael Skube in the LAT..."

USA Today's Angela Gunn writes about this post:

just to make sure he had a nicely comprehensive list of blogosphere reportorial triumphs to cite in his letter to the Times today, [Rosen] asked for readers to pitch in with reminders. And did they ever. This is one of those posts and comment threads that just makes you happy to be a blog fan. It cheers me up no end to reflect that the very same publishing tool can bring us both lolcats and Chris Allbritton's Iraq coverage, Girls Are Pretty and ePluribusMedia's Katrina Timeline.

Posted by: Jay Rosen at August 22, 2007 12:24 PM | Permalink

I don't know why, but I just love the 50-50 tone of this, from the editor of the News and Observer in Raleigh at her blog.

And of course the "congenitally contrarian" description of Professor Skube. That's why he got so much negative reaction-- he's a contrarian! Provocative!

NC prof Skube rekindles blogs-journalism flames

Elon University journalism professor Michael Skube, who won a Pulitzer Prize for criticism as The N&O's books editor in 1989, has ignited a small firestorm with his recent LA Times op/ed piece on blogs. Read it here.

Skube is a gifted writer and thinker who describes himself as "congenitally contrarian," and I think his piece is provocative though not definitive.

It did provoke. NYU journalism prof and press critic Jay Rosen blasted back at Skube on his PressThink blog and has organized a response for the LA Times' "Blowback" feature.

Skube also drew a protest from Josh Marshall on TalkingPointsMemo

It's a great debate. To me the important question isn't whether original reporting is being done on some blogs (it is) but how great journalism can thrive regardless of the form -- how can it be supported financially, how can good information sort out from bad, and so forth.

Posted by: Jay Rosen at August 22, 2007 12:50 PM | Permalink

Hi Jay.

An excellent addition to your list is Durham in Wonderland.

Shortly after the Duke lacrosse scandal broke, Brooklyn College Professor K.C. Johnson began scrutinizing the case at Durham in Wonderland. His blog covered daily developments more thoroughly than any other source, avoiding and frequently correcting the false narratives that characterized so many newspaper and magazine articles.

Many examples on your list note bloggers who've uncovered stories that the MSM wasn't aware of or ignored.

KC Johnson is notable for doing better than the MSM on a story in which it invested significant resources.

Posted by: Conor Friedersdorf at August 22, 2007 6:21 PM | Permalink

Most Blogs=Bad grammar. Inaccurate information. Bloated verbiage. Opinionated bubbleheads.
Imagine your 300lb contractor neighbor mouthing
off in his hot-tub. Now everyone can read his
blather. Not just you.
The same "futurethinks" that predicted the death
of brick and mortar businesses (remember those
meteoric virtual co. startups in the '90's?)now
proclaim that "journalism of the people" will be done for free! by people passionate about their
subjects! Free by people who just happen to
travel to the Congo and risk their lives,
or to war zones, to flesh out the truth-
not just couch potato accountant pundits who
have alot to say about things they have never
experienced. That is the norm-first hand accounts
do not have more validity than
vetted and corroborated information. Just ask me
about my neighbor-really its the truth,...just
ask, well just ask me.

Posted by: nico at August 22, 2007 6:55 PM | Permalink

March 2007 to present unbossed uncovered links among the privatization of Walter Reed Army Medical Center, the contractor given the work, IAP Worldwide, and IAP's connections to KBR and Halliburton in Walter Reed Got "Swindled" unbossed has continued to follow the story with updates as appropriate.

Posted by: shirah at August 22, 2007 9:25 PM | Permalink

2005 to the present unbossed has been reporting on privatization, with a focus on the privatization of the IRS debt collection and the privatization of EEOC call centers (McEEOC - You Want Justice with That?), told through many, many posts through to the present.

unbossed has also reported on Bush's No Federal Agency Left Behind (NFALB) report cards in Good Agency, Bad Agency and follow up reports.

Posted by: shirah at August 22, 2007 9:35 PM | Permalink

Shirah, IMO you need an "Unbossed greatest hits" page - or if there already is one, it should be more prominent on the site.

Posted by: Anna at August 23, 2007 2:50 PM | Permalink

February 2003. Donahue Dropped By MSNBC Over Political Views. (which is actually more of a site than blog) writes a series of pieces recounting the way MSNBC dropped the veteran talker over his preceived political views. They used leaked memos and interviews to develop a story that was picked by everyone from the newspapers to Vanity Fair.

Posted by: Steve A. at August 23, 2007 4:24 PM | Permalink

Here's another:

December, 2005 -- July, 2007. Radley Balko's investigation of the capital murder conviction of Cory Maye.

Posted by: Kim Pearson at August 24, 2007 12:54 PM | Permalink

Couple of events: Richard Jewell died. Might be a good time to review the media's performance there. Don't ask Tom Brokaw. His and his network's lips are sealed after the extremely large settlement.
Don't know about the AJC.

The blog Protein Wisdom has a long and richly linked piece on the media and Iraq. Hint: Blackfive, staffed and mostly read by vets, recommended it. So reporters probably won't like it.
Problem is, reporters don't control what the rest of us know any longer.

I think I can work Skube in here, somehow. Like, maybe PW's Karl is a submission for the blogger journalism list to go to the LAT. Puts it all together.

Posted by: Richard Aubrey at August 29, 2007 10:08 PM | Permalink

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